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♪ >> this is "taking stock" for thursday, july 31, 2014. u.s. stocks got slammed today. the dow losing 370 points, wiping out gains for the entire year. one stock getting slammed after hours -- we breakdown the first earnings report for gold pro as a public company. plus, i speak with the ceo of indigogo and robot maker jibo.
we talk with the guy who is still the publisher of "slam," the in-your-face basketball magazine. all that and more, but first, the headlines. >> thank you so much. busy in the after-hours today. tesla out with its earnings report. the automaker earned $.11 a share, beating analyst estimates. tesla also reported second-quarter sales that matched estimates and beat its own forecast. meantime, linkedin giving a revenue forecast that topped estimates. revenue projected to be between $543 million and $547 million. shares rising after the trade. and go pro reported a wider quarterly loss than analysts expected. those are some of the top headlines at this hour. back to you.
>> thank you. thanks a lot. here to talk about today's selloff, equity strategist tony dwyer. what happened? >> i don't know if i know anything. basically, there's a lot of excuses for the selloff. it has been a very tired market to begin with. a very frustrating few months because the internals of the market have been correcting. portfolio managers or individual investors can look at stocks and ask how the market could be at a new high in their portfolios are not. what is happened is in a correction, that's how it works. in a bull market like we are in, you go up a significant amount, and the market starts to deteriorate, and it ends up in equity indices, and that is kind of what happened today.
you could blame argentina, russia, the guy at the strip, the gdp number -- the gaza strip, the gdp number, but ultimately, the market was tired, and it needed a correction. >> my friends make fun of tv reporters saying that they look at stock chart and they look at the latest headline and try to connect the dots as if they are related. a lot of people argue economic numbers are better from some companies but also the notion that there is a lack of participation in this market by a lot of big mutual funds and individual investors. >> thais really true. you have to have money flowing into stocks. you market moving higher -- let me rephrase that. the major equity indices and mega-cap stocks moving higher over recent months is more of a lack of any sellers than any real significant pickup in buyers. you can have a stock go up by having a single buyer if there are no sellers, and that is what happened.
fundamentally, the backdrop remains terrific. earnings have been coming in well ahead of expectations. even better than the usual shenanigans that corporate america plays in underestimating or under projecting earnings. it has been a very good quarter. the economy is very clearly picking up steam, and that has brought in some fear of the fed, which ultimately will be a healthy thing. >> looking at the biggest companies, companies over $20 billion in markle cap, i found that only a quarter of them had lower sales in the last quarter than they did the year before. >> you can make the case that the global economy -- a lot of people have been trying to make the case that a global economy is going to pick up steam, and i just am not seeing it in any of the numbers. while you have the u.s. doing a little bit better, it's not exactly like we have a robust
economic backdrop, and the rest of the globe is slowing down. the story is not -- in my view, buying equities is not just about strong earnings. what it is about is a lack of investment alternatives for the big institutions and pension funds that have to meet a certain amount. for the people listening, if you are, say, the state of california, and you have benefits you have to pay out, and you have to make seven point 5% a year to be able to pay out those benefits, if you are in any component to fixed income, it almost makes it virtually impossible. your investment alternatives are -- other than private equity -- are very few and far between, and it is that equity arena that is most attractive. >> well put, tony dwyer. we appreciate your time. let's talk about one of those companies trying to make things happen. gopro. the stock went bonkers after the ipo. jon erlichman, my colleague, joins me now from los angeles. what did the quarter look like? >> it's funny, you talk about
that technical term of "bonkers." >> thank you. you can tell i was a former money manager. i'm than trained professional. >> you are talking about which companies are seeing revenue growth. this is a company that is seeing revenue growth. it has had the hot hand. i have the hot product. everyone from surfers to different industries are now using these in a big way, and revenue was up about 38%. it generated basically $245 million up from the neighborhood of $177 million last year. when you see the stock immediately decline, people try to make sense of it. on one basis, they were profitable in the quarter. on another, they were not. what you are seeing is a company that is rapidly expanding. if costs are growing along with revenue, which certainly does cut into profitability, and
because of that bonkers first day of trading, at the end of this trading day, we are getting close to 50, getting at a $5.8 million market valuation. maybe that does result in some pause by investors. >> the company sold this not just as a camera slinger but also as a media company. when you look through the sec filings, when they went public, there's very little in terms of numbers about their media business. did they give any more details about how that is going? >> in short, no. this always conference calls where you can do that. i think you are right. as you went through the filings of this company, the one thing you could sink your teeth into was the shipments of the devices. last year, they moved about 3.8 million of these things, basically tripled from 2011. there's no doubt they are moving
the hardware. as far as the image of this being a media company, i think that is a long road. there are the high-profile examples they have shared, getting more deals cut, the watch gopro video when you are an xbox one user or on an american airlines flight. still hard to see the numbers. >> thank you so much. senior west coast correspondent jon erlichman. joining me now, to help us break down the earnings report from tesla, the ceo of weiss harrington & associates, nathan weiss, and also efraim levi, from the s&p. >> they beat estimates.
--i wasn't going to rhyme rub it in. but go ahead. >> i was higher than other analyst. i was closer. the deliveries were slightly above expectations, generally in line. good news -- they announced it. i would still like more details on that. china is at the early stages of growth. i think that's going to be an important area of growth. basically steady as she goes that they are executing on the plan. >> what did you think? >> fairly solid quarter. they beat expectations to a wild agree -- wild degree. tesla is maintaining a 35,000 unit full-year delivery, so pushing 14,000 potential deliveries to make the numbers. >> any news about model x? model whatever?
>> they have not said a whole lot about that yet, but they seem to be on plan. they are making the investments. until we see actual deliveries, it's not there. again, as i indicated before, they are generally executing, so i give them the benefit of the doubt in that area. >> let me ask you about this -- there was a sentence in the press release that jumped out at me because there's all this excitement about the gigafactory -- which is so much better than a factory, like a hyperloop -- it has more loop. april around in reno for a potential site. what does that mean? >> if you look in the forums, people have gone and taken pictures. they have started flattening things. they have a permit to do so.
they broke ground. >> but it is a potential site. so even though it has the construction equipment, this might not be the site? >> reportedly, they are still pushing to get california. they just have not gotten the environmental permits. >> at least they got bulldozers pushing around some dirt. how important is a gigafactory or even just a factory to tesla's and medium -- tesla's immediate success? >> it is important to get more fuel cells from suppliers so they do not have backlogs or interruptions that they cannot produce enough vehicles to meet their backlogs. >> let me challenge you with that -- they made more cars this quarter than they needed to make. production was nearly 1000 more than they made this quarter, and there is no backlog anymore. >> according to the press
release, it seems to be indicating the backlog is growing. they also have a slowing down of the next quarter of how many they are going to produce, they have to produce ahead, but they also have to ship it. there's the difference between shipping and delivering, and there's only so many they can produce at one time. if they want to expand in china, that means they may have to cut back in markets such as the u.s. >> do you see backlog? >> if you parse the statement, sequential orders were up, and we track the time from order confirmation, which is usually 24 hours after placing an order to the start of production. that went from 71 days to 30 days on march 30. they should always have a backlog because they cannot produce a car the day you order it. >> interesting stuff. love my tesla earnings because they are always weird. next, we go to argentina where
>> welcome back to "taking stock." the latest on the debt crisis in argentina -- the president is about to address the nation for the first time since the country entered into technical default. what is the government's attitude toward this debt problem and solving it? >> that's an interesting question.
they have been pretty tough on these u.s. hedge funds. there have been some promising signs in terms of dealing with debt problems, but in this particular issue, they have been very critical. there has been a bit of a change in the attitude here. the last hour or so, the chap that was leading the charge in new york yesterday, he was a bit more conciliatory and said they would continue talking with holdout funds, the people who have not been satisfied with payments so far, but he is still using harsher rhetoric. >> i wonder how this resonates on the streets of when a sarris -- of windows -- of buenos aires. >> that's a good question. a lot of ordinary people say they like the tough rhetoric. but people i have been talking to, the kind of urban elite have
said it is all just empty rhetoric. it is political theater, and there is a lot of empty rhetoric that they tend to see through. >> i would like to hang out with these political elites. for the regular joe in argentina, is this affecting the economy and the day-to-day lives of the people in argentina? >> i think in the near term, it's not going to have a dramatic affect on the country's economy. for those businesses that may rely on dollar values in terms of the pace our exchange rate, that may be problematic if the situation continues. the big problem is inflation. >> thank you very much. we appreciate it. coming up next, we are going to look at "slam" magazine -- the publisher joins us.
>> this is "taking stock." target has hired pepsico executive brian cornell as the new ceo. carol massar and les berglass join us now. what is it like to convince them to bring in an outsider? >> i don't think they have a lot of choices. and i think we need some clarity on "outsider." the retail industry is incestuous and loves its own,
and that's one of the problems. what we are looking for is vision, and not going to come to a company or an industry that does not welcome outsiders. here is a man at pepsi, who is a big vendor to target, i'm sure. he has extraordinary experience in food and supermarkets where they need help. when a company like target goes into this food space, you are dealing with margins that are incredibly different, and you need an expertise -- >> "different" being enormously worse, and this is the supermarket business. it's really about generating cash and using that cash flow to run the rest of your business. >> right. and he understands that. he also brings an expertise or a balance because he is a retailer. there are challenges --
>> what you mean? >> they want a lot, and they want a lot for the price. when you are a vendor, a wholesaler selling them something, you have to balance with adjusting your cost because he has that experience. he will be wonderful with the vendor community, so when the company is leaning on the vendors, he can say, "we need to back off a little bit because the more we take, the less we are going to get." >> i also wonder if he gets more street credit because he is in outsider walking in. >> maybe he will be able to shake the trees a little bit, create more of it risky culture. target has been very conservative. while a lot of retailers have
expanded internationally, target has been very slow to do that. test, test, test, taking their time while competitors may have gone ahead of them, so maybe they will bring more risk and more of a fast approach. >> other outsiders did not seem to like taking all those risks and making all those changes. >> if you have a marriage that fails does not mean you're not going to get married again. >> maybe it means you shouldn't. >> the issue here, and i think that's a good bridge to a point when need to bring up -- ron johnson was trying to innovate, and he went too far. what has to happen -- we only target as an innovator. they want fun shopping at a price.
what brian has to do in our opinion, and the big question is -- can he return this business to the innovative retailer it was? a lot of people criticize him because he has worked very big businesses that are not known for innovation. a leader today has to surround themselves with talent. the retail world has become so complex that no individual leader has every skill you want. what he has to do is he has to innovate, and he has the skills to fix the broken pieces. he has international pieces so he can take care of canada. >> thank you very much. we appreciate it. thanks for your time. 26 minutes past the hour means it is time for "on the markets." the s&p 500, dow 2%. big selloff today. dow jones industrials down a
the future of the company. >> you know, i have said many times, there are multiple players, multiple options for the company. i'm not going to comment on any specific one. you can figure out, how do you get scales, how do you get spectrum, how do you get capital? one way is to move aggressively. and then various accelerants access. -- exist. you should be clear. there is great interest in t-mobile. we will consider any option that exists for the shareholders. >> that was like the foreshadowing tease of the century. various options for the company, accelerators -- for more on what those accelerators might be, michael maccormack is here. michael, do they need accelerants? do they need capital to build up
this network? >> a lot of people question why not organically. they have been doing a great job on taking share. sprint has been a donor for the entire industry. from a cash perspective, they are sort of hampered right now given some of the plans out there. the spectrum auction is coming up. they are looking for different ways to bulk up. >> specifically, were you shocked by this iliad operative? does it make any sense to you that guffey might swallow this whale? >> definitely came out of left field. there are multiple discussions in the marketplace, sprint being top of the list. there are a number of things, potentially carlos slim coming in. dish, with charlie rubin coming in with a spectrum position to help them become a bigger player in the marketplace. this was clearly out of left field.
>> there is a notion here that deutsche telekom might want to unload some of their shares, because any sort of sprint deal would require a lengthy regulatory process and maybe iliad would help them lighten their load a little bit right here. >> clearly t-mobile in the past has been a troubled carrier, and they have really turned things around. it might be that there is more of a comfort level from the twinge telecom side saying, this is an interesting business, and we are willing to take more equity on a combined basis. a lot of that pressure has been alleviated recently. >> when i was a short seller, one of my colleagues refuse to ever meet the ceo of a coveney lest he be charmed. i will admit to being charmed by the t-mobile ceo, john leger. i wonder -- you talk to wall street investors all the time. guy traipsing around in a t-shirt -- how is that playing out in wall street? >> it is certainly a change from traditional telecom executives we have known. tweeting and wearing magenta t-shirts and things like this. it is definitely a different look. it is resonating with customers. he has done a lot of things to shake up the industry. you see at&t and verizon and probably soon spreads reacting
aggressively to the price moves he has made. it has frankly lowered the price of the industry. it is shaking things up quite a bit. >> what is the single biggest change? >> unfortunately, he has proved there is price elasticity in u.s. wireless. >> could hurt the profits. >> sure, and it is a scale business. you need spectrum, network utilization, network assets. these require cash flow. to the extent that you continue to have somebody chipping away the price points, the return on capital as an industry is worse than it was just a year ago. >> these guys have. -- got a lot of bond payments to make. >> if you are looking at a subscale businesslike t-mobile, sprint, to the extent they get that monthly revenue, it will drop straight to cash flow.
for them it is a game they can play for a certain period of time. once they scale up and you start bumping up against spectrum needs, more network spending needs, that is where these low price points could become more of a problem for them. >> i spent some time with legere and the rest of his team. macklemore, the rapper, was there. these guys got together long before they came into -- the whole global crossing team got together, looked at t-mobile, thought -- what if we did this? what kind of sense could we create? how far along do we think they are in their secret, long-term plan for t-mobile? >> they have introduced the idea -- a 7.0 is coming very shortly. there have been a lot of changes. when we walked in there, it was a sleepy brand. that has all changed. to the extent that they are offering unlimited services, international services, etf payoffs -- all of these are resonating very well with the
consumer. shaking things up has a huge impact on subscribers for t-mobile against the industry. >> who would have thought a telecom carrier would have ended up being such an interesting story? michael mccormick -- mccormack, they give for joining us. a lot of companies are taking a new approach to using crowd funding sites. a robot company has seen massive success on the crowd funding site indiegogo. it surpassed its original campaign, a total of $100,000. not quite $1.3 million. i am joined by the founder and ceo, dr. cynthia breazeal, who really hopes it is $1.3 billion. you are also at m.i.t. indegogo -- ijndiegogo ceo slava rubin. crowd funding is just exciting the notion of people who have an idea -- sometimes really bad ideas -- but sometimes great, under the notion that they can start their ideas.
how does it work with your site? >> we launched in january 2008. anybody can create a campaign for any idea. some might think that idea is not so good. or others will think the idea is great, like g bow, and they will come funding. you know, you have promotion, all this data you can turn into relationships. you can push forward on your business or your new idea. >> how does it work? someone sees an idea they like. how does the investment work? is this just a gift? >> on the funder side, you're funding because you care about the project and the person. you want one of the perks. you want to be part of the movement. >> you care about that more than you care about your money. >> there is no equity involved. the jobs act might change that from 2012. it is about being able to be part of something and pushing it
forward. >> dr. breazeal, tell me about your robots. >> g bow is the world's first family robot. >> most of them are adult robots? >> the rest of them are robots like vacuum cleaners. the thing that is so different about g bow is it is the first social robot coming into the mass market. you interact more with it like a helpful partner. it is like your family assistant. a robot plays a role, versus a device like a camera where you take a picture -- qbo is like a cameraman. for me, the mom who is the family picture taken not in any of the pictures of my children, i can first be in those pictures
because qbo can know when you are smiling -- to do that on my behalf. >> what is the crowd funding perk you offer on indiegogo? >> there are a number of perks. the most popular perk is to actually get the qbo robot yourself. we have a perk for the home edition, for consumers. we have one for developers. we have a partnership with boston children's hospital. people can buy one. we had almost 40 robots donated to boston children's hospital already. they will be in production in 2015. >> talk to me about what else it can do. take a picture, hand -- >> a lot of the early features and functions around family. you don't have to find your device. it is open, ready to give the message when you need it. pictures, video calls but in a robot way. you can actually turn and have a
conversation as opposed to just being on a screen, being able to track someone. >> don't get it. >> you can be communicating to, say, a remote family member. you have cameras you can turn and orient so that you can have a physical presence around a dinner, family thanksgiving dinner. not only can i talk to everyone, but i can turn and have that side conversation as if i'm really there. it is a physical, social presence in a way you don't experience with a talking head on a screen. >> why was it so much more successful than a lot of other fund raising campaigns? what is it about this that you think resonates and what might be the lesson for other people trying to raise money on crowd funding sites? >> sometimes the audience will say, i'm not interested. here the audience in 39 countries and almost every state in america, 49 states -- wyoming came into fund the qbo as well
-- they all spoke up and said, i'm interested. some people care about robots. we tapped into that nerve. cynthia has been able to create an amazing product. they packaged it up by indiegogo and got lots of amplification. >> talk to me about the notion of fund raising and investing. you guys are launching an app today. is this something that needs to be mobile? >> absolutely. this industry will be totally mobile by the end of the decade. i'm not sure anybody will be using a computer at all. we have been learning a lot from our users. in the beginning of the year we personalize the experience to have a mobile specific, web specific and tablet specific experience without an actual app. now we have come out with an app. this will only continue to get more and more mobile. some people want a qbo and they will pay for it. >> irobot was also started at m.i.t. what kind of advantages does this kind of funding give you
over traditional methods of funding? >> for us, it really came down to a way of showing real validation. has been a lot of talk about robots coming into the home. but are people really ready for it? people are really ready to have a robot in the home. it was also a way for us to engage our developer community. we want to be able to build a community of developers that can help us expand the skill sets and the value the robot can provide to people. people can see the enthusiasm for consumers and developers. companies and other institutions are approaching and saying, you are coming up with something really fascinating and exciting. we want to help you be part of that too. >> interesting stuff. dr. cynthia breazeal, cofounder and ceo of jibo. thank you to slava rubin, of indiegogo. the nba might be in its off-season, but the headlines
>> we have breaking news out of washington, d.c. and the conflict in gaza. peter cook joins me now with details. peter? >> we are getting word of a 72 hour cease-fire in the middle east conflict. the palestinians have agreed, beginning at 8:00 local time, to a 72 hour unconditional cease-fire. there have been a lot of international forces trying to push for a cease-fire, including the united nations and secretary of state john kerry. this word coming in this formal
statement. a couple of key things from the statement i will read back to you. the forces on the ground will remain in place. this has been a contention of the israelis, that they still are worried about those tunnels coming into israel and they want to continue to do everything they can to minimize the possibility of hamas being able to access israeli territory. separately, that israel and palestinian delegations will immediately being going -- he going to cairo for negotiations and reaching a durable cease-fire. the hope is that this lull in the action, if it indeed holds, might open up an opportunity for a furthering of the conversation on how to achieve some kind of peace in the middle east at this point. this is the latest development. cory, we expect to hear from secretary of state john kerry on this most recent development. he is in india at this hour.
it is 3:00 in the morning in india. john kerry set to make a statement soon. >> this comes two days after the israelis managed to take out a power plant, the only power plant in gaza. amnesty international was out pretty quickly, suggesting this was a way [indiscernible] not just hamas. they made the humanitarian situation there without water, without power, so much instantly worse. >> no question about that. power supply is critical to everyone there in gaza. the other thing that has been the focus of so much attention, the shelling of those u.n. shelters where so many palestinians had gone where they thought they would be safe. obviously a big issue for the un. it is the u.n. along with the state department driving this word of cease-fire. a lot of pressure on both sides to find some way out of this conflict. at least for the moment, both sides agreeing to at least hold their fire for 72 hours.
>> this is "taking stock." i'm cory johnson, filling in for pimm fox. a long time ago, 20 years ago, a magazine came to the streets of new york and all over the world called "slam" magazine, the in-your-face basketball magazine. that magazine is still the biggest basketball magazine in the world, of which i'm quite proud because i was the first editor. it has been 20 years. i was four years old when the great dennis page decided to take me off the streets. it's great to see you. >> it has been 20 years, probably. >> the magazine has done
wonderfully, it looks like. i see it everywhere. why has this magazine survived? >> one simple reason. when we started it together, it was always photo-driven. luckily, i think if you are a young kid, you always have those big photos in your room. >> you do posters all the time. >> every issue. i don't know if you remember, when we talked about inventing "slam," big pictures for kids to rip out her and when i was a young kid i used to rip them out of "sports illustrated." kids still ripped out photos and put them on their wall. that is a big factor in the longevity of it. >> there is a flavor about the magazine that is unique. my notion of it at the time was that this sport has its own
culture to it. i was inspired in a lot of ways by "surfer" magazine, which also mbytes the culture of the sport more than the hall of famer's -- imbibes the culture of the sport more than the hall of famers. >> pros are active now. basketball is really the only sport that has a culture around it read -- around it. it is very aligned with hip-hop. football just does not have it. there is a fashion element, music elements. that is what enables "slam" to have the best magazine. >> i don't know if you remember this, but we were having discussions and it was going great, and this guy named michael jordan decided he was going to quit basketball. >> that was a bad day. >> but it was great. >> the reason i started "slam" and had the idea was because of michael jordan. one of my inspirations was "rolling stone." the best basketball players were
the new rock stars of that time. >> you had great success at that time. >> "rolling stone" cover the rock arena. >> it let us really think about the non-mainstream celebrities, and what the great fun of basketball could be. >> the other players. you touched on it. a big part of it was for me, discovering the new high school kid. [indiscernible] >> basketball is so important to the culture of american now. you see this with the donald sterling story. i wonder what you make of that, how the story of class and race and divorce and knuckleheads and senility and multibillion-dollar
valuations all in this one basketball story -- >> that is an incredible story. what is even more interesting is that when lebron was thinking about leaving miami, the league basically shut down. for five days -- if you were to look at espn, probably even bloomberg, everything was -- we heard, lebron may go back to cleveland. he's staying in miami. he shut the league down. i even think at this point, i think they should change the logo to what we did on that "slam" cover. >> real quick. i ran into silver at a party. he looked at me and said, you are the guy. you are the guy. great stuff, and thanks for joining us today on "taking stock." "bloomberg west" is coming up next. ♪